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January 08, 2012

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I know very little about psychological testing; what I do know is that the field is rife with controversy. I guess that's the point you are making. Thanks for sharing the history.

@ Ruchira:

And this is just the beginning.

So the results of psychology 'experiments' are matters of faith rather than measurement? Can we anoint it as a new religion yet?

@ Sujatha:

I mentioned the name Joel Michell from the University of Sydney. He is now retiring after a long and distinguished career. I got in touch with him a couple of years ago when I first started getting into the problems of measurement for psychology. Joel had been at this for a much longer time than I, and with far better credentials and more experience. He noted that it was interesting that I had come to the same conclusions as he, though completely independently. I asked him about the reaction and reception to his ideas from other research psychologists. When he would give presentations and entertain discussions with his audience their responses were pretty much the same. Yes, they agreed with him that the problem of measurement is a big, glaring hole in the science of psychology. However, they had no motivation to change what they were doing, and would continue to lead their professional research lives as they had done before.

I taught psychological research methods for a couple of years. The text I used did not have a definition of measurement. Yet, the entire book is founded upon the necessity of observation through measurement.

The "Standards for Educational and Psychological Measurement" (1999) is THE BIBLE for professional practice in testing. It is published by The American Educational Research Association (AERA), The American Psychological Association (APA), and the National Council on Measurement in Education (NCME). The chapter on test reliability has NO definition of measurement, even though the concept of test reliability has to do with measurement errors.

My next posts on this subject will deal with the theory of test reliability. I will show that it is completely out of sync with theories of test reliability in all other sciences. It is hard to argue with Feynman's observation that the social sciences have got the form right, but we are not producing any laws of nature. If it is possible to do so, we will find it very difficult if we don't get our scientific house in order.

Looking forward to the next part of your series, now that I see where it is headed- Psychology would be a rejuvenated science indeed, if acceptable modalities for reliable measurement are in place.

This post got me curious about the background of words like "standard" and "measure." As usual, OED is informative. On the etymology of "standard" it remarks:

The origin of sense A. 9 (‘standard of measure or weight’), whence the other senses in branch II are derived, is somewhat obscure. It appears in Anglo-Norman (estaundart ) and Anglo-Latin (standardus ) in the 13th cent., two centuries earlier than our earliest vernacular instance. It has not been found in continental Old French; the use of Dutch standaard in this sense is believed to be imitated from English. It is noteworthy that in early instances the standard of measure is always either expressly or by implication called ‘the king's standard’, an expression which belongs to the older sense A. 1. It seems probable that sense A. 9 is a fig. use of sense A. 1; the king's standard being the point of reunion of the army, and the centre from which commands are issued.

"Measure" is more straightforward, until it takes a Mobius turn:

6. A means of measuring.

a. A standard, rule of judgement, etc., against which something may be gauged, determined, or regulated; a criterion, test. Usu. with of.

Feynman on the social sciences is also fascinating, not least because he has nothing to offer from a scientific point of view. His remarks are purely anecdotal and sprung from an ipse dixit: "I know what it means to know something." Now, I know what he means when he says that, because his remarks are as mundane as he claims. But it's interesting that he begins by condemning the social sciences for responding to the successes of science, for wanting to emulate the sciences and to achieve their level of authority by doing so, and then he implicitly urges us to rely on his success as grounds sufficient to make his point.

@ Dean:

When I covered this topic with my psychological research students, the first thing I say is that measurement is a comparison to a standard.

Then I throw them a curve ball by asking them where standards come from. Eventually, I get around to telling them that we make them up. If you get one or two people to agree with you, then you have a standard. If you get lots of people to adopt your standard, then you have a unit of measure.

I have a different view on Feynman, and its the same view I have of any senior/emeritus scientist in any field. I give them a great deal of latitude in expressing views on their areas of expertise or about science in general. They can drop the necessity of 'rigor' in formulating their utterances as if they were to be recited before an audience of graduate students. Hopefully, they will have something meaningful and more accessible to a wider audience. I used this video because I think he is more right than wrong about psychological science. I will be making more of that point in my coming articles - the next one in on my computer screen as I type.

I've listened to Steven Weinberg talk about 'truth' and never being able to find the ultimate answers to questions as a manifestation of the human condition. It actually depresses him to contemplate the matter. Leon Lederer, former head of Fermi Lab talks about Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, then move to a more philosophical view of uncertainty as a perspective we ought to adopt in everyday life. Of course, their pronouncements can be laughable when they leave the boundaries of their knowledge and experience. James Watson has demonstrated this a couple of years ago.

Right on, Norm. About scientists weighing in on social, philosophical or other non-science subjects, that is. I don't see why scientists cannot speak about such matters since they experience the vicissitudes of life like everyone. They may not make much sense always on abstract matters like meaning of life or uncertainties of the human condition, but it is not as if anyone else does either.

I have forgotten how my own children were introduced to physics in American schools. In schools in India, I remember (both as a student and a teacher) the first couple of lessons were about the nature and history of physics followed by several about measurement and standards.

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