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March 25, 2006

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I love L.A.! And I love immigrants standing up and saying we're not going to sit quietly and be scapegoated any more. Today's march was inspiring, a credit to the pugnacity of the demonstrators, and also to the 1st Amendment right to freely associate. Anna has done a great piece of blog reporting, particularly since it looks like at least some of the media got caught flat-footed on the story (except for the LAT). The NY Times still is running only the AP wire story as of midnight Saturday.

To bad you don't have enough sense to hold this protest in Mexico city and demand your goverment give you what you want.

Anna:
Great reporting from the ground!

hognfrog:
Anna was protesting her own government's action. She is an American.

Thanks Ruchira, and thank you, especially, hognfrog: I can't think of a better demonstration of the anti-immigration constituency in the US. Really, you made my day. As a side note, even were I from Mexico, your suggestion would remain extremely silly and unhelpful, since Mexico City doesn't control US immigration policy. Of course, the last time I heard someone say, as you in effect have, "Go back to Mexico," the speaker was a redneck outside a bar in New Orleans, and the intended recipient was my then boyfriend, a South Asian Indian. That's some pretty clever company you have in your club.

Anna, I really enjoyed reading this post. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Along with the protests, it is incumbent upon us to address the "under the rug" aspect of illegal immigration in particular and poverty in general in the USA. The protests will not amount to much unless the issue of fair wages, benefits and working conditions too are addressed at the same time. I am all for liberalizing immigration laws but not in order to facilitate a slave culture.

Houston is teeming with so called "illegals". People grumble all the time about the cost of "supporting" them. Yet there is very little public protest here and the issue remains below the radar until a group of people are found dead at the back of a truck crossing the border. I am yet to see a black, white or native born American of any color (except an occasional student waiting tables) mowing lawns, cleaning house, clearing dishes at restaurants or building the vast number of new homes that are coming up overnight all over the ever expanding city limits of Houston. Business owners plead innocence because they never directly hire the laborers thus keeping their own hand "clean". The procurement is always through a "contractor" ("coyote?") in the language of business & law enforcement.

Progressive Indian American Woman writes in detail about the underbelly of this issue.

Thanks, Joe.

Ruchira, I completely agree with you. In fact, as we all know from the news, the most powerful boosters of relaxed immigration laws are business interests, with Bush as their struggling spokesperson trying to work the unconvinced populist-nativist elements in the Republican Party. On the flip side of the same coin, Left workers' rights supporters like Ralph Nader, as well as otherwise liberal African-American leaders, form unholy alliances with populist-nativist leaders like Pat Buchanan to restrict both immigration and free trade.

Beyond the failure to see immigrant Americans as Americans, what these factions at either end of the political spectrum miss, in my opinion, is that restricting immigration is neither necessary nor sufficient to support fair working conditions. As an economic question, it tends to (as it has) drive business overseas and increase the black market in immigrant labor. As a rights question, it wastes energy and resources that could otherwise be focused on increasing and enforcing workers' rights, and wrongly focuses the blame on workers rather than employers. In terms of fair wages, benefits, and working conditions, I don't care if an employer hires a citizen or an undocumented immigrant, so long as the worker is hired under fair terms. And in fact, forcing business to do so, through law enforcement and organizing, would take away the advantage of hiring undocumented immigrants.

I don't mean to sound "problem solved" pat; I recognize there are other complications, and no easy answers. But one thing seems pretty clear to me (and 'm sure we're in agreement on this): trying to solve the problem of international wealth disparities and labor competition by erecting punitive and physical walls against the "invading hordes" is both ineffective and un-American.

I will be interested to take a look at PIAW's thoughts on this complicated issue.

This is indeed a very complicated issue to address to everyone's satisfaction.

One of the most interesting points that Anna raises (my daughter who was at the same march in L.A., made the same observation) is the lack of enthusiasm in the African American community, which for the most part is on the right side ("left") of most social issues.

Also interesting is the "strange bedfellows" syndrome that the immigration issue invariably gives rise to. Buchanan /Nader and Bush / liberals as Anna points out.

My own feeling here always goes to the matter of fair wages and worker benefits/ rights. It will indeed be interesting to see if wages are raised, whether native born Americans will still reject certain kinds of work. For example, I saw that in meat packing plants of Nebraska and Iowa, even with wages of $7 - 10 /hour (higher than minimum wage of the 90's) the plants were manned almost exclusively by immigrants from Mexico. Except of course for the supervisory positions. These jobs were traditionally held by Nebraskans of middle European descent - Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and to some extent, Germany . The most ironic thing that I observed was that at the Office of Immigration in Omaha which of course is a federal office, there were posters and electronic streaming tickers - advertizing jobs for meat packers ! Targeted of course at "legal immigrants" but nonetheless indicative of the unavoidable fact that the Nebraska boys were not rushing to do what their dads did.

Earlier I noted that there has been no protest in Houston despite a sizeable Latino and immigrant population here. I heard on the radio that students in several high schools walked out of their classes today to protest the proposed legislation.

What upsets me most though in this recent uproar is the way the Republicans are cynically exploiting this as a terrorist/security issue, now that the Iraqi vote getting bucket is leaking uncontrollably.

Great pictures, great post.

I find it sad that Americans have been conditioned to believe that if people are protesting about something, that makes them troublemakers, malcontents, terrorists, to be laughed at and dissed, whatever.

If Americans took a closer look at not just the fact that people are protesting, but at WHY they are protesting, our country would make social progress and there would be real social justice.

Empathy is something people like Anne Coulter, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh tend to discourage. They don't want us to think about the WHY, because if too many of us did, those jokers would be laughed off the air, and nobody would buy their books anymore. And I believe that is something toward which our great nation should aspire: to be a nation of questioning people, who question all things in an effort to learn as much as we can about an isue before making our decisions.

Mr. Bush, tear down this wall before it even gets built.

Thank you, Snave, for your thoughtful comment. I had a similar reflection at the demonstration: that I could think of no activity more in keeping with the purpose of the right "peaceably to assemble" under First Amendment, than a remarkably violence free march to let the House of Representatives know that a bill it had passed was not, in fact, representative of the will of the marchers.

In the summer of 2002, when I spent a great deal of time in the Library of Congress, I often admired the inscriptions on the walls, and pondered how foreign and frightening they ought to seem to the Coulters, Hannitys, and Limbaughs of the world, who pretend to love our "founding fathers," but who hate inquisitiveness and dissent. The anti-intellectual, anti-inquiry right would do well to contemplate some of these inscriptions:

"The people of every country are the only safe guardians of their own rights and are the only instruments which can be used for their destruction. It is an axiom in my mind that our liberty can never be safe but in the hands of the people themselves, that, too, of the people with a certain degree of instruction."-- Jefferson

"Learned institutions ought to be favorite objects with every free people. They throw that light over the public mind which is the best security against crafty & dangerous encroachments on the public liberty" --Madison

For more: http://www.loc.gov/loc/walls/

I lived in a community populated by Mexican illegals working in fruit industry.

The towns were trashy. The houses were trashy. If it wasn't naiiled down, it was stolen by Mexicans. Everyone I knew who lived out of town were robbed. Drive-by shootings due to drug disputes were common. We finally escaped north. We will keep going north where it is cold and Mexicans do not want to live in order not to live near these people. The town we live near now is clean and quiet. Low crime. Gee, is it any coincidence that there are hardly any Mexicans here?????

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